Faith in a Supreme Being, and that Jesus is the Christ, the Messaiah, who died, rose from the dead and offers eternal life. And as I say this I am a firm opponent of the this right-wing, "Christian" nationalist bullshit. Too many "people of faith" today are hypocrites who would step over their own mother lying in the street in order to rail at "trans ideology" and "wokeness." Such people disgust me because they are NOT people "of faith."
Megan, I don't want to interrupt anything. But...to be clear...I tend to think everyone's a person of faith. Having said that, I would never wish to imply that I'm an authority in someone else's experience. No faith? Got it. Message received.
I get that. I was responding to rc4797's inclusion of Jesus & seeking clarification whether they believed that was a mandatory inclusion in "people of faith."
rc4797: as clarification from me: David knows this, but I'm Jewish. I believe strongly in God, and that God intends us to repair the world - "tikkun olam" - meaning that it is the job of us and God *together* to heal the brokenness of the world; we're not meant to sit back and expect God to do the work. To use a Christian phrase: by their fruits you shall know them.
No. MT 15:7-8 - Jesus: "You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you. ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.'"
*nods* I hear that, rc4797. I'm gonna note right quick that Caleb Campbell's new book Disarming Leviathan might be meaningful to you. Here's Caleb on a wine podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5j5wthtRtY
I agree there is no faith without referent. I'll try to keep short here because i have tried to write my way toward faith before, but one thing that might be inferred from your short post is that faith qua faith is not in itself virtuous necessarily. Yet as a christian we talk of faith as one of three theological virtues, so there must be some inherent good. Perhaps Pascal's Wager answers this, we are embarked, we must choose some meaning. I prefer DFW's articulation, for some reason it resonates for me.
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Faith in a Supreme Being, and that Jesus is the Christ, the Messaiah, who died, rose from the dead and offers eternal life. And as I say this I am a firm opponent of the this right-wing, "Christian" nationalist bullshit. Too many "people of faith" today are hypocrites who would step over their own mother lying in the street in order to rail at "trans ideology" and "wokeness." Such people disgust me because they are NOT people "of faith."
Only Christians can be people of faith?
No. You want to introduce other faiths into the discussion go ahead.
Megan, I don't want to interrupt anything. But...to be clear...I tend to think everyone's a person of faith. Having said that, I would never wish to imply that I'm an authority in someone else's experience. No faith? Got it. Message received.
I get that. I was responding to rc4797's inclusion of Jesus & seeking clarification whether they believed that was a mandatory inclusion in "people of faith."
rc4797: as clarification from me: David knows this, but I'm Jewish. I believe strongly in God, and that God intends us to repair the world - "tikkun olam" - meaning that it is the job of us and God *together* to heal the brokenness of the world; we're not meant to sit back and expect God to do the work. To use a Christian phrase: by their fruits you shall know them.
You don't think such folks have faith in all the ideas you mentioned in your first sentence?
No. MT 15:7-8 - Jesus: "You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you. ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.'"
What do you imagine the people who disgust you have faith in?
Their own self-righteousness. Adios.
*nods* I hear that, rc4797. I'm gonna note right quick that Caleb Campbell's new book Disarming Leviathan might be meaningful to you. Here's Caleb on a wine podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5j5wthtRtY
I agree there is no faith without referent. I'll try to keep short here because i have tried to write my way toward faith before, but one thing that might be inferred from your short post is that faith qua faith is not in itself virtuous necessarily. Yet as a christian we talk of faith as one of three theological virtues, so there must be some inherent good. Perhaps Pascal's Wager answers this, we are embarked, we must choose some meaning. I prefer DFW's articulation, for some reason it resonates for me.
https://open.substack.com/pub/nathanaelroy/p/the-brilliance-and-tragedy-of-this?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2b0d31
Thanks for sharing it. I'm rethinking my "we" these days.
Thank you as well. Will listen further what you mean by that, whether here or elsewhere.
Amen🙌
go OFF!!!
Thank you for egging me on!